From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Jul 2 16:53:47 2008 Date: 02 Jul 2008 16:53:47 -0400 From: Mail System Internal Data Subject: DON'T DELETE THIS MESSAGE -- FOLDER INTERNAL DATA X-IMAP: 1215032027 0000000000 Status: RO This text is part of the internal format of your mail folder, and is not a real message. It is created automatically by the mail system software. If deleted, important folder data will be lost, and it will be re-created with the data reset to initial values. From perlman@turing.acm.org Wed Jul 2 16:56:06 2008 -0400 Status: X-Status: X-Keywords: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:56:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary PERLMAN To: "Adelstein, Bernard D. (ARC-TH)" Subject: Re: |stat unix download location? In-Reply-To: <35AD913D0CF6E547A40C2365BCBD5EA82DBAA8@NDMSEVS31B.ndc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: References: <35AD913D0CF6E547A40C2365BCBD5EA82DBAA8@NDMSEVS31B.ndc.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Thank you for your interest in |STAT data manipulation and analysis software. UNIX |STAT for is now (only) available via Web browsers at a secret location. http://www.hcibib.org/stat/xyzzy/ To obtain UNIX |STAT files, please follow the instructions at: http://www.acm.org/perlman/stat/#access There are installation notes (e.g., for Mac OS X and Linux) at: http://www.acm.org/perlman/stat/installation.txt DOS |STAT executables and documentation are available as a WinZip file: http://www.acm.org/perlman/stat/DOS-STAT.ZIP HTML documentation is available from the |STAT home page: http://www.acm.org/perlman/stat/ On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Adelstein, Bernard D. (ARC-TH) wrote: > Dear Dr. Perlman, > > I'm requesting the |stat UNIX download location. > > > I AGREE TO ADHERE TO THE CONDITIONS OF USING |STAT. > I AGREE NOT TO SHARE THE |STAT LOCATION WITH OTHERS. > > Thank you. > > Bernard Adelstein > From perlman@turing.acm.org Thu Jul 3 11:54:45 2008 -0400 Status: X-Status: X-Keywords: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 11:54:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary PERLMAN To: jgrudin@microsoft.com Subject: Quick Assistance Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Jonathan, We've been going to a fair amount of the Jazz Fest this year because the kids are away at camp. I only vaguely recall having so much free time. My Quick Assitance card expired, but I thought I'd tell you why I was never able to use it. The phone number, 1-800-microsoft sent me through so many menus that I could barely bear to stay on the line. I spoke to a few people who told me that I was in the wrong place. One attempt went through fice or so menu selections, and after my last choice, all I head was "Goodbye" and click, I was off the line. Finally, I gave up after speaking to someone in India, who also could not help me, and after I told him that "using Microsoft phone help for 20 minutes of my life, I found it one of the most frustrating experiences in my computing experience", he said "Well, that's your opinion." Without thinking, all I could say was "Well, fuck you!" and I hung up. Microsoft: 1, Gary: 0, I guess. At least I have this cool souvenir card! By the way, my problem is that I am looking at a Word document with these comments, and I know that I can go to the View menu to turn off Markup, but Markup is grayed out, so.... Maybe that has been fixed in Office 2007, but that's a completely different UI and it creates documents that most people can't read, so it has been avoided by OCLC. Hope your summer is fun! Gary From perlman@turing.acm.org Thu Jul 3 13:51:58 2008 -0400 Status: X-Status: X-Keywords: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 13:51:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary PERLMAN To: listserv@computer.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed unsubscribe internetcomputing_subscribers From perlman@turing.acm.org Thu Jul 3 14:02:02 2008 -0400 Status: X-Status: X-Keywords: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 14:02:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary PERLMAN To: Jonathan Grudin Subject: RE: Quick Assistance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1463807999-680479191-1215108121=:22880" ---1463807999-680479191-1215108121=:22880 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT My son, who has not committed old Word shortcuts to motor memory, likes the new Word more, and as it turns out, all those shortcuts seem to work on the new Word. We have the home edition of Office (which is about $100), so it is not too expensive (except maybe for people who pirate everything). Sorry about your CSCW paper. I sometimes wonder if I should set up an hcibib.org archive where people could provide the metadata and the PDF (or, docx file), and there it would be, findable, reasable, and citable. The standards would be remarkably low, but I would probably try to filter out non-hci stuff. Not much prestige in publication, though. On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, Jonathan Grudin wrote: > Well, imagine yourself in my position, cheerfully handing out these cards year after year imagining that recipients are enjoying an efficient conversation with a knowledgeable expert. Embarrassing. > > I have of course upgraded to Vista and Office. I don't notice much difference with Vista, some things seem slower. A lot more "do you trust this vendor" messages to click through (including when the vendor is Microsoft). On the other hand there haven't been any major virus scares in the last few years. The new Office I like quite a bit. The format change leaves many documents far fewer bytes in size, though space is quickly becoming immaterial. It does require people to download a free converter to read it on earlier Office versions, but I did it a few times and it was a painless few seconds. Another plus is that you can save docs out in PDF format (possibly another free download forced by Adobe though I don't think so, I think they just had to call it "publish" instead of "save"), though I'd found free converters out there so that was only a minor advantage. Mostly things are easier to find, and PowerPoint animations (which I've become better at using) have more features. Also, with the new Office, it is trivial to save docs in the older larger file format, so in the increasingly rare case someone has trouble, I just save it as .doc. I could see not upgrading to save the expense, but not for any other reason. > > I just got another CSCW rejection. At the moment I'm inclined to skip the conference but we'll see. > > -- J. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary PERLMAN [mailto:perlman@turing.acm.org] > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:55 AM > To: Jonathan Grudin > Subject: Quick Assistance > > Hi Jonathan, > > We've been going to a fair amount of the Jazz Fest this year > because the kids are away at camp. I only vaguely recall > having so much free time. > > My Quick Assitance card expired, but I thought I'd tell > you why I was never able to use it. The phone number, > 1-800-microsoft sent me through so many menus that > I could barely bear to stay on the line. I spoke to > a few people who told me that I was in the wrong place. > One attempt went through fice or so menu selections, > and after my last choice, all I head was "Goodbye" > and click, I was off the line. Finally, I gave up after > speaking to someone in India, who also could not help > me, and after I told him that "using Microsoft phone help > for 20 minutes of my life, I found it one of the most > frustrating experiences in my computing experience", > he said "Well, that's your opinion." Without thinking, > all I could say was "Well, fuck you!" and I hung up. > Microsoft: 1, Gary: 0, I guess. > > At least I have this cool souvenir card! > > By the way, my problem is that I am looking at a Word document > with these comments, and I know that I can go to the View menu > to turn off Markup, but Markup is grayed out, so.... Maybe that > has been fixed in Office 2007, but that's a completely different > UI and it creates documents that most people can't read, so it > has been avoided by OCLC. > > Hope your summer is fun! > > Gary > > > ---1463807999-680479191-1215108121=:22880-- From perlman@turing.acm.org Thu Jul 3 15:08:32 2008 -0400 Status: X-Status: X-Keywords: Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:08:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary PERLMAN To: Alan Cantor cc: Gary perlman Subject: Accessible form question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Alan, I am evangelizing accessibility for OCLC, particularly for worldcat.org. I've been assigning tasks to various groups to make their web forms accessible, and their creative activities have made me wonder what to do. Here are some cases that come up a fair amount, and I was hoping to get an outsider's opinion. Gary ===================================================== 1. There is a form element, but no convenient label. Example: Search results with checkboxes for actions like saving to a list, but clickable titles to go to the full record. Title of 12345 ... I tried this (use hot title as label): and all browsers toggled the checkbox when the title was clicked, so I tried this (moved