From perlman Tue Jun 16 01:15:11 1998 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA08721; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:13:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:13:55 -0400 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9806160513.AA08721@turing.acm.org> To: instone@acm.org, j.j.degraaff@acm.org, miker@ida.liu.se Subject: HCI-Sites List Cc: perlman X-IMAPbase: 1002079425 12 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1 The HCI-Sites list just passwed 400 entries, based on over 600 now in the HCI Bibliography. Keith Instone has retired the HCI VL. Looking over the other two major sites, some pages are out of date and/or missing many links now at: http://www.acm.org/sigchi/hci-sites One major area I am not ready to take over yet is that of events/conferences, but eventually, I'd like to coordinate that with SIGCHI news and conferences, or defer to something like the BCS-HCI list. There are other areas not covered yet in the HCIBIB. I was thinking of setting up a historical section of the HCI Bibliography on HCI resources. I'd like it to acknowledge your pioneering contribution to the field, regardless of your plans for your indexes. Look over the SIGCHI page and let me know how you would like to proceed. Gary From miker@ida.liu.se Tue Jun 16 05:34:36 1998 Received: from ida.liu.se (anton10.ida.liu.se [130.236.178.83]) by portofix.ida.liu.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05545; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:40:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <35863EFC.6A267141@ida.liu.se> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:46:36 +0200 From: Mikael Ericsson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Gary PERLMAN Cc: Keith Instone , Hans de Graaff Subject: Re: HCI-Sites List References: <9806160513.AA08721@turing.acm.org> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9EE51CB75B0B9E979F65960F" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9EE51CB75B0B9E979F65960F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gary, it is a _very_ good project you've started! People out there _really_ appreciate this kind of resource (as long as you have got the time to update it). I think it would be a good thing to maintain the conference/event at the SIGCHI-site too. One thing that Keith, Hans and I discussed some years ago, when we where thinking about joining our efforts, was the risk of losing the broadth and multiple perspectives. In some sense, the previous sites have presented different views on the HCI area (although not very clear) - something that people out there have commented upon: "I always use the Index - it's got the kind of information I need" "The Launching Pad is more usability-oriented" Of course, this is something that can be handled in a single index too; I do think it should be taken into account. As for the future of my index - I'm currently finishing my thesis, and will soon move from the university (perhaps keep a part-time lectureship). Hence, I will probably not be able to update the "HCI Resources on the Net" very frequently. They way I see it now - I will focus on the parts: Guidelines, styleguides, standards HCI Jobs Conferences and other events Companies & Labs I will run a "cleaner" on the site a.s.a.p. and remove/update the current problems (and probably lift some areas out completely). It is possible that my future employment makes it too hard to maintain anything at all. In that case I'll notify you and redirect my site to the "HCI-sites". BTW - I failed to find the "HCI TIP list" in your site: http://www.dcs.napier.ac.uk/hci/tip/ Regards, Mikael E. Gary PERLMAN wrote: > Looking over the other two major sites, > some pages are out of date and/or missing many > links now at: > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/hci-sites > > One major area I am not ready to take over yet > is that of events/conferences, but eventually, > I'd like to coordinate that with SIGCHI news > and conferences, or defer to something like the > BCS-HCI list. > > There are other areas not covered yet in the HCIBIB. > I was thinking of setting up a historical section > of the HCI Bibliography on HCI resources. > I'd like it to acknowledge your pioneering contribution > to the field, regardless of your plans for your indexes. > > Look over the SIGCHI page and let me know how you > would like to proceed. > > Gary --------------9EE51CB75B0B9E979F65960F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Mikael Ericsson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by portofix.ida.liu.se id LAA05545 begin: vcard fn: Mikael Ericsson n: Ericsson;Mikael org: Link=F6pings universitet adr: Dept. of Computer science;;Link=F6pings universitet;Link=F6= ping;;581 83;Sweden email;internet: miker@ida.liu.se tel;work: +46-13-28 40 21 tel;fax: +46-13-14 22 31 tel;home: +46-13-1234 71 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------9EE51CB75B0B9E979F65960F-- From perlman Tue Jun 16 09:38:37 1998 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA18558; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:38:29 -0400 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9806161338.AA18558@turing.acm.org> Subject: Re: HCI-Sites List To: miker@ida.liu.se (Mikael Ericsson) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: instone@acm.org, j.j.degraaff@acm.org, perlman In-Reply-To: <35863EFC.6A267141@ida.liu.se> from "Mikael Ericsson" at Jun 16, 98 11:46:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 5686 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3 > it is a _very_ good project you've started! > People out there _really_ appreciate this > kind of resource (as long as you have got > the time to update it). > I think it would be a good thing to maintain > the conference/event at the SIGCHI-site too. As always, the best is the enemy of the good. I have put off any events calendar because I'd like to have several dates associated with each conference and coordinate that with timely announcements. > One thing that Keith, Hans and I discussed > some years ago, when we where thinking about > joining our efforts, was the risk of losing > the broadth and multiple perspectives. In > some sense, the previous sites have presented > different views on the HCI area (although not > very clear) - something that people out there > have commented upon: > > "I always use the Index - it's got the kind of > information I need" > "The Launching Pad is more usability-oriented" This is a good point. Some links I have trouble putting in because I feel they are too ___-oriented and less HCI. But in general, I have added anything I can access reliably and which has been updated in the past two years. But, I have also heard people complain about going from index to index to find links, often to find that each index is lakcing in some way. > Of course, this is something that can be handled > in a single index too; I do think it should > be taken into account. I am struggling with useful resources on specific topics (e.g., graphic design). If there was a SIGCHI page on graphic design, then the links could easily be added there. I think there are obvious solutions I am missing. Maybe I am just putting off going to a third/nth level of classification. > As for the future of my index - I'm currently > finishing my thesis, and will soon move from the > university (perhaps keep a part-time lectureship). > Hence, I will probably not be able to update the > "HCI Resources on the Net" very frequently. They > way I see it now - I will focus on the parts: > > Guidelines, styleguides, standards I think I will be covering more on this area. > HCI Jobs Again, this is a volatile area. I'd prefer to depend on archives of lists like chi-jobs. > Conferences and other events Already discussed. > Companies & Labs I think I have pretty good coverage here, with 54 companies (low, I think) and 117 laboratories (pretty good). I do plan on adding better geographical classification informmation for these. The information is in the database, mostly. > I will run a "cleaner" on the site a.s.a.p. and > remove/update the current problems (and probably > lift some areas out completely). Feel free to point to hci-sites. I suspect that hci-sitews has comparable or better coverage for: WWW Homes: all 4 categories Resource Collections: HCI Collections/indices Bibliographies and Publications (most) Newsgroups (I do not go into so much depth into windows* but I do have links to many FAQs) Conferences (I have links to most active calandars, including yours) Misc People - out of date, starting at hci-sites Methods and process (covered) Guidelines - many covered, but many sites are only fair CSCW - all out of date Education - covered Software tools - I could do that *** WWW-related - I'm leaving the to usableweb Other - out of date So I see jobs and calendar as areas where hci-sites is lacking. I'll look into those and the ones above. > It is possible that my future employment makes > it too hard to maintain anything at all. In > that case I'll notify you and redirect my site > to the "HCI-sites". > > BTW - I failed to find the "HCI TIP list" in > your site: http://www.dcs.napier.ac.uk/hci/tip/ It's in the education page, along with "recently" completed theses (not too recently updated). Can you suggest other categories where it might be placed? I just added the SIGCHI special interest area pages to general hci resources, so that may help. Thanks for the reply. Gary > Regards, > Mikael E. > > Gary PERLMAN wrote: > > Looking over the other two major sites, > > some pages are out of date and/or missing many > > links now at: > > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/hci-sites > > > > One major area I am not ready to take over yet > > is that of events/conferences, but eventually, > > I'd like to coordinate that with SIGCHI news > > and conferences, or defer to something like the > > BCS-HCI list. > > > > There are other areas not covered yet in the HCIBIB. > > I was thinking of setting up a historical section > > of the HCI Bibliography on HCI resources. > > I'd like it to acknowledge your pioneering contribution > > to the field, regardless of your plans for your indexes. > > > > Look over the SIGCHI page and let me know how you > > would like to proceed. > > > > Gary > --------------9EE51CB75B0B9E979F65960F > Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" > Content-Description: Card for Mikael Ericsson > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by portofix.ida.liu.se id LAA05545 > > begin: vcard > fn: Mikael Ericsson > n: Ericsson;Mikael > org: Link=F6pings universitet > adr: Dept. of Computer science;;Link=F6pings universitet;Link=F6= > ping;;581 83;Sweden > email;internet: miker@ida.liu.se > tel;work: +46-13-28 40 21 > tel;fax: +46-13-14 22 31 > tel;home: +46-13-1234 71 > x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 > x-mozilla-html: FALSE > version: 2.1 > end: vcard > > > --------------9EE51CB75B0B9E979F65960F-- > > From instone@usableweb.com Tue Jun 16 11:24:30 1998 Received: from [205.133.75.11] (max1-39.dacor.net [205.133.75.39]) by goliath.dacor.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2120.0) id MXHFT4B9; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:29:17 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9806160513.AA08721@turing.acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:37:22 -0400 To: Gary PERLMAN , instone@acm.org, j.j.degraaff@acm.org, miker@ida.liu.se From: Keith Instone Subject: Re: HCI-Sites List Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4 At 1:13 AM -0400 6/16/98, Gary PERLMAN wrote: >Keith Instone has retired the HCI VL. Actually, I was building a case for "donating" the name to the SIGCHI HCI sites page. I was waiting to get some numbers... Hits for /sigchi/hci-sites/ Thu June 11 160 Wed June 10 179 Tue June 9 205 Mon June 8 173 Sun June 7 128 Sat June 6 87 Fri June 5 160 Thu June 4 78 Wed June 3 62 Tue June 2 51 Sun May 31 23 Sat May 30 19 Thu May 28 58 Fri May 22 13 Thu May 14 14 Mon May 11 22 June 5th was when my HCI VL pages started redirecting to the SIGCHI page. Other factors have contributed to the rise, but the HCI VL link is usually more than everything else combined. HCI VL forwards from my server to SIGCHI: 6/6 90 6/7 88 6/8 95 6/9 154 6/10 147 6/11 115 6/12 133 6/13 69 6/14 73 6/15 148 About I want is the name to live on, so renaming the page "HCI sites" to "HCI Virtual Library" would make me quite happy. And I'd still be willing to help out some, of course. Keith --------------------------------------------- Keith Instone instone@usableweb.com Usable Web +1 419 823-3319 or -1036 PO Box 7411 Bowling Green, OH 43402 USA Guide to web usability: http://usableweb.com/ --------------------------------------------- From miker@ida.liu.se Tue Jun 16 11:34:32 1998 Received: from ida.liu.se (anton10.ida.liu.se [130.236.178.83]) by portofix.ida.liu.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15937; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:40:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3586935C.8078905B@ida.liu.se> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:46:36 +0200 From: Mikael Ericsson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Instone Cc: Gary PERLMAN , instone@acm.org, j.j.degraaff@acm.org Subject: Re: HCI-Sites List References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1EEA330CCCCD887DFFB42A90" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1EEA330CCCCD887DFFB42A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do think you have a case there Keith.... :-) I too like the name "HCI Virtual Library", and I do think it is a term that describes the content very well. /ME --------------1EEA330CCCCD887DFFB42A90 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Mikael Ericsson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by portofix.ida.liu.se id RAA15937 begin: vcard fn: Mikael Ericsson n: Ericsson;Mikael org: Link=F6pings universitet adr: Dept. of Computer science;;Link=F6pings universitet;Link=F6= ping;;581 83;Sweden email;internet: miker@ida.liu.se tel;work: +46-13-28 40 21 tel;fax: +46-13-14 22 31 tel;home: +46-13-1234 71 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------1EEA330CCCCD887DFFB42A90-- From perlman Tue Jun 16 12:12:00 1998 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA09211; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:11:59 -0400 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9806161611.AA09211@turing.acm.org> Subject: Re: HCI-Sites List To: instone@usableweb.com (Keith Instone) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman In-Reply-To: from "Keith Instone" at Jun 16, 98 11:37:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2326 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6 I have two reservations about the HCI VL name: * The name "HCI VL" is associated with you, although many people still call it the HCI Launch Pad at BGSU. That association may make it harder for the other indexers to submerge. * It's not associated with the WWW VL project, if such a project exists. I'm all for recognition, if that's what you would like. What about something like: HCI-Sites is based on several pioneering HCI link sites: * Keith Instone's HCI VL Virtual Library (formerly the BGSU HCI Launch Pad) * Hans de Graaff's HCI Index * Mikael Ericsson's HCI Resources That get's both names listed. I found out about the forwarding from Debra Mayhew, who had a link to your site, and when she ckicked on it, the back button got her back to your site which sent her forward to hci-sites. She was pretty confused. > At 1:13 AM -0400 6/16/98, Gary PERLMAN wrote: > >Keith Instone has retired the HCI VL. > > Actually, I was building a case for "donating" the name to the SIGCHI HCI > sites page. I was waiting to get some numbers... > > Hits for /sigchi/hci-sites/ > > Thu June 11 160 115 > Wed June 10 179 147 > Tue June 9 205 154 > Mon June 8 173 95 > Sun June 7 128 88 > Sat June 6 87 90 > Fri June 5 160 > Thu June 4 78 > Wed June 3 62 > Tue June 2 51 > Sun May 31 23 > Sat May 30 19 > Thu May 28 58 > Fri May 22 13 > Thu May 14 14 > Mon May 11 22 > > > June 5th was when my HCI VL pages started redirecting to the SIGCHI page. > Other factors have contributed to the rise, but the HCI VL link is usually > more than everything else combined. HCI VL forwards from my server to > SIGCHI: > > 6/6 90 > 6/7 88 > 6/8 95 > 6/9 154 > 6/10 147 > 6/11 115 > 6/12 133 > 6/13 69 > 6/14 73 > 6/15 148 > > About I want is the name to live on, so renaming the page "HCI sites" to > "HCI Virtual Library" would make me quite happy. And I'd still be willing > to help out some, of course. > > Keith > > --------------------------------------------- > Keith Instone instone@usableweb.com > Usable Web +1 419 823-3319 or -1036 > PO Box 7411 Bowling Green, OH 43402 USA > Guide to web usability: http://usableweb.com/ > --------------------------------------------- > > > From robin.jeffries@Eng.Sun.COM Fri Jun 19 12:47:59 1998 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail3 [129.144.170.5]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id JAA06247 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:54:13 -0700 Received: from thestork.eng.sun.com (thestork.Eng.Sun.COM [129.146.88.47]) by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) with ESMTP id JAA08088 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:54:13 -0700 Received: from leftie (leftie.Eng.Sun.COM) by thestork.eng.sun.com (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.06.03.00.09) with SMTP id <0EUT00F3X5MB7R@thestork.eng.sun.com> for perlman@turing.acm.org; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Robin Jeffries Subject: Re: special needs links To: perlman@turing.acm.org Reply-To: Robin Jeffries Message-Id: <0EUT00F3Y5MB7R@thestork.eng.sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Md5: gju9QyGQjpysNczYs4cJfg== Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7 Well, you can see by how long it took for me to repond, how much time I have to think about this. Are you asking me to do some work to pull this together? Or just whether it's a good idea. I think it's a great idea, but not one that I have time to spend any cycles on. And I'm not particularly up on the disability literature. I think this would be a good job for someone in the SIGCHI volunteer database. And I even have an idea for someone to ask -- Eric Bergman has been very involved in this topic. Either he would do it, or he'd be likely to know someone else who would (eric.bergman@eng.sun.com) Robin |From: Gary PERLMAN |Subject: special needs links |To: jeffries@acm.org |Cc: chair_SIGCAPH@acm.org, infodir_SIGCAPH@acm.org, perlman@turing.acm.org | |We are getting into designing for sight impaired users |and I've been gathering links around the web. | http://www.hcibib.org/gs.cgi?terms=disabilities:resources |Since you were the sigchi adjuct chair for special needs, |I thought I would approach you with the idea of adding |an accessibility special interest area to the SIGCHI sites. |It could be anything, maybe just a link repository. |Then there are possibilities for a discussion list, etc. | |Maybe it could be coordinated with SIGCAPH. | |Just a thought. | |Gary From graaff@graaff.xs4all.nl Sun Jun 21 16:21:23 1998 Received: (qmail 3344 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Jun 1998 20:00:29 -0000 Sender: graaff@graaff.xs4all.nl From: Hans de Graaff To: Gary PERLMAN Cc: instone@acm.org, j.j.degraaff@acm.org, miker@ida.liu.se Subject: Re: HCI-Sites List References: <9806160513.AA08721@turing.acm.org> X-Face: ,i^c$X{l+r}VV%(bl{^[ Lines: 85 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.10/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8 Gary PERLMAN writes: It took me some time to reply both because I was busy at work and because I wanted to look over the site before answering. > Looking over the other two major sites, > some pages are out of date and/or missing many > links now at: > http://www.acm.org/sigchi/hci-sites Yes. I don't think I have many stale links in mine, because they get checked frequently, but I am certainly missing a lot of information. I don't have time to do much active exploration, so I only add things which come to me in mail or news, or which people mail me about. I think not having a form on the site also makes it a bit harder to people to contribute. > One major area I am not ready to take over yet is that of > events/conferences, but eventually, I'd like to coordinate that with > SIGCHI news and conferences, or defer to something like the BCS-HCI > list. I suppose my listing is somewhat complete and up-to-date. Another list, which I haven't looked at yet, is currently maintained by one of the SIGCHI Bulletin Events editors. It consists of the material printed in the Bulletin, along with other stuff they collect before making the selection for the bulletin. > Look over the SIGCHI page and let me know how you would like to > proceed. Done that. I personally feel that we don't need yet another HCI Index, unless it provides a big improvement over what is currently available. I also believe that what is currently available (speaking mostly for my own index, because that's the one I know best), is simply not good enough. I'm afraid I don't see the improvement in your version yet. One thing I really miss in your version is a 'new items' section. From the statistics of the HCI Index it seems that a lot of people jump to that page right away. So many do so, in fact, that I will change my scripts to add the new items list to my front page when I have some time to work on it. As for the future of my Index: I don't devote much time to it, other than keeping it up-to-date. I should really rewrite parts of the scripts that generate the index, so that it becomes a better resource, but I haven't found the time yet. Now that I haven't volunteered for a CHI conference that may change :-) It also doesn't seem likely that I will get support from work (other than moral) to work on this. That makes significant changes a bit harder to make. I've come to the point where I would be willing to work together with other people to create a single resource for HCI on the web, if it will include some of the improvements I feel are needed. In such a case I feel it will remain important that the different viewpoints are available, as Michael noted. Some of the things I feel are needed to create a great resource: Include a small description of each link. Gary's site already has a short summary for some sites. I'd also like to include a small editorial for each URL, so that people have a better understanding of each site. I believe that such an editorial role could be very useful. It was what I liked best about Keith's site. This could perhaps be augmented by a top something for some of the categories and/or recommended sites. Some automated scripts that check all links on a regular basis (e.g. weekly). Apart from tracking stale links, some of the information could also be listed directly (e.g. size and date last modified, a la AltaVista's results). Not using a fixed hierarchy, and/or use flexible search mechanism to create your own viewpoints on the data. This would also help preserving different viewpoints on HCI resources. Just some food for thought. Keith, Michael, and I have talked about this a few times, and I may even have some database schema lying around for some of the stuff listed above. If we want this to happen we just need to do it. Hans From perlman Fri Jun 26 10:18:44 1998 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA30862; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:18:42 -0400 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9806261418.AA30862@turing.acm.org> Subject: Re: special needs links (fwd) To: eric.bergman@eng.sun.com Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2182 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9 As you might be able to dig out from the messages below, I have been gathering special needs internet links. http://www.hcibib.org/gs.cgi?terms=disabilities:resources Robin Jeffries suggested you might be interested. I have received no replies from SIGCAPH people. Forwarded message: > From robin.jeffries@Eng.Sun.COM Fri Jun 19 12:47:59 1998 > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT) > From: Robin Jeffries > Subject: Re: special needs links > To: perlman@turing.acm.org > Reply-To: Robin Jeffries > Message-Id: <0EUT00F3Y5MB7R@thestork.eng.sun.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc > Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Md5: gju9QyGQjpysNczYs4cJfg== > > Well, you can see by how long it took for me to repond, how much time I > have to think about this. > > Are you asking me to do some work to pull this together? Or just whether > it's a good idea. > > I think it's a great idea, but not one that I have time to spend any > cycles on. And I'm not particularly up on the disability literature. > I think this would be a good job for someone in the SIGCHI volunteer > database. And I even have an idea for someone to ask -- Eric Bergman > has been very involved in this topic. Either he would do it, or he'd > be likely to know someone else who would (eric.bergman@eng.sun.com) > > Robin > > > |From: Gary PERLMAN > |Subject: special needs links > |To: jeffries@acm.org > |Cc: chair_SIGCAPH@acm.org, infodir_SIGCAPH@acm.org, perlman@turing.acm.org > | > |We are getting into designing for sight impaired users > |and I've been gathering links around the web. > | http://www.hcibib.org/gs.cgi?terms=disabilities:resources > |Since you were the sigchi adjuct chair for special needs, > |I thought I would approach you with the idea of adding > |an accessibility special interest area to the SIGCHI sites. > |It could be anything, maybe just a link repository. > |Then there are possibilities for a discussion list, etc. > | > |Maybe it could be coordinated with SIGCAPH. > | > |Just a thought. > | > |Gary > > From Eric.Bergman@Eng.Sun.COM Fri Jun 26 12:02:26 1998 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (engmail2 [129.146.1.25]) by mercury.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/mail.byaddr) with SMTP id JAA00406 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:08:55 -0700 Received: from zoso.Eng.Sun.COM (zoso.Eng.Sun.COM [129.144.63.11]) by Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-5.3) with SMTP id JAA25848 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:08:51 -0700 Received: from phaedrus by zoso.Eng.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA24661; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:08:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199806261608.JAA24661@zoso.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric Bergman Reply-To: Eric Bergman Subject: Re: special needs links (fwd) To: perlman@turing.acm.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Md5: iX6dtMo1V4vtKpRGsYq0gQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 10 Gary -- this is a good list. I admit that I am a bit fuzzy on what your request is here -- are you wanting further link references, or were you looking for someone to be in charge of this special interest area or what? I could certainly provide some further pointers/feedback, although it looks like you've hit the highlights here. Let me know how I can help. Eric > From: Gary PERLMAN > Subject: Re: special needs links (fwd) > To: eric.bergman@Eng > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:18:42 -0400 (EDT) > Cc: perlman@turing.acm.org > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > As you might be able to dig out from the messages below, > I have been gathering special needs internet links. > http://www.hcibib.org/gs.cgi?terms=disabilities:resources > Robin Jeffries suggested you might be interested. > > I have received no replies from SIGCAPH people. > > Forwarded message: > > From robin.jeffries@Eng.Sun.COM Fri Jun 19 12:47:59 1998 > > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Robin Jeffries > > Subject: Re: special needs links > > To: perlman@turing.acm.org > > Reply-To: Robin Jeffries > > Message-Id: <0EUT00F3Y5MB7R@thestork.eng.sun.com> > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc > > Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Md5: gju9QyGQjpysNczYs4cJfg== > > > > Well, you can see by how long it took for me to repond, how much time I > > have to think about this. > > > > Are you asking me to do some work to pull this together? Or just whether > > it's a good idea. > > > > I think it's a great idea, but not one that I have time to spend any > > cycles on. And I'm not particularly up on the disability literature. > > I think this would be a good job for someone in the SIGCHI volunteer > > database. And I even have an idea for someone to ask -- Eric Bergman > > has been very involved in this topic. Either he would do it, or he'd > > be likely to know someone else who would (eric.bergman@eng.sun.com) > > > > Robin > > > > > > |From: Gary PERLMAN > > |Subject: special needs links > > |To: jeffries@acm.org > > |Cc: chair_SIGCAPH@acm.org, infodir_SIGCAPH@acm.org, perlman@turing.acm.org > > | > > |We are getting into designing for sight impaired users > > |and I've been gathering links around the web. > > | http://www.hcibib.org/gs.cgi?terms=disabilities:resources > > |Since you were the sigchi adjuct chair for special needs, > > |I thought I would approach you with the idea of adding > > |an accessibility special interest area to the SIGCHI sites. > > |It could be anything, maybe just a link repository. > > |Then there are possibilities for a discussion list, etc. > > | > > |Maybe it could be coordinated with SIGCAPH. > > | > > |Just a thought. > > | > > |Gary > > > > > From perlman Fri Jun 26 12:29:19 1998 Received: by turing.acm.org; id AA16545; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:29:16 -0400 From: Gary PERLMAN Message-Id: <9806261629.AA16545@turing.acm.org> Subject: Re: special needs links (fwd) To: Eric.Bergman@Eng.Sun.COM Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perlman In-Reply-To: <199806261608.JAA24661@zoso.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Eric Bergman" at Jun 26, 98 09:08:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 4400 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 11 I am fuzzy on my request, too. I've been collecting Internet resources in HCI for the past month for the HCI Biblioraphy, and have been using these links to generate several pages on the SIGCHI Web site: hci-sites (413 links in 13 categories) publications (37 links in 3 categories) education (49 links in 3 categories) intercultural (81 links in 12 categories) kids and computers (52 links in 6 categories) These fit into areas where there are established SIGCHI special interest areas, web pages, listserv mailing lists, Bulletin (newsletter) columns, and SIGCHI officials. I started to gather links on disabilities, but there is no SIGCHI presence for special needs. Robin was at one point the SIGCHI adjunct chair for special needs, but not too active in gathering resources. So, that is where I am. I would welcome further pointers/feedback. If you were interested in being in charge of a special interest area in SIGCHI, then I could help you establish it. I'm pretty sure SIGCHI would provide a web page and a listserv discussion list. I maintain a lot of these, and another would be little effort on my part. But starting a special interest area might not be something you want to or have time to do. Also, it might be more in the SIGCAPH arena to do this, but I've received no response from them. So, any input would be welcome. Gary > > Gary -- this is a good list. I admit that I am a bit > fuzzy on what your request is here -- are you wanting > further link references, or were you looking for someone > to be in charge of this special interest area or what? > > I could certainly provide some further pointers/feedback, > although it looks like you've hit the highlights here. > Let me know how I can help. > > Eric > > > > From: Gary PERLMAN > > Subject: Re: special needs links (fwd) > > To: eric.bergman@Eng > > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:18:42 -0400 (EDT) > > Cc: perlman@turing.acm.org > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > > As you might be able to dig out from the messages below, > > I have been gathering special needs internet links. > > http://www.hcibib.org/gs.cgi?terms=disabilities:resources > > Robin Jeffries suggested you might be interested. > > > > I have received no replies from SIGCAPH people. > > > > Forwarded message: > > > From robin.jeffries@Eng.Sun.COM Fri Jun 19 12:47:59 1998 > > > Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT) > > > From: Robin Jeffries > > > Subject: Re: special needs links > > > To: perlman@turing.acm.org > > > Reply-To: Robin Jeffries > > > Message-Id: <0EUT00F3Y5MB7R@thestork.eng.sun.com> > > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.1 CDE Version 1.2.1 SunOS 5.6 sun4u sparc > > > Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Content-Md5: gju9QyGQjpysNczYs4cJfg== > > > > > > Well, you can see by how long it took for me to repond, how much time I > > > have to think about this. > > > > > > Are you asking me to do some work to pull this together? Or just whether > > > it's a good idea. > > > > > > I think it's a great idea, but not one that I have time to spend any > > > cycles on. And I'm not particularly up on the disability literature. > > > I think this would be a good job for someone in the SIGCHI volunteer > > > database. And I even have an idea for someone to ask -- Eric Bergman > > > has been very involved in this topic. Either he would do it, or he'd > > > be likely to know someone else who would (eric.bergman@eng.sun.com) > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > > > > |From: Gary PERLMAN > > > |Subject: special needs links > > > |To: jeffries@acm.org > > > |Cc: chair_SIGCAPH@acm.org, infodir_SIGCAPH@acm.org, perlman@turing.acm.org > > > | > > > |We are getting into designing for sight impaired users > > > |and I've been gathering links around the web. > > > | http://www.hcibib.org/gs.cgi?terms=disabilities:resources > > > |Since you were the sigchi adjuct chair for special needs, > > > |I thought I would approach you with the idea of adding > > > |an accessibility special interest area to the SIGCHI sites. > > > |It could be anything, maybe just a link repository. > > > |Then there are possibilities for a discussion list, etc. > > > | > > > |Maybe it could be coordinated with SIGCAPH. > > > | > > > |Just a thought. > > > | > > > |Gary > > > > > > > > > > From ckoster@notes.cc.bellcore.com Mon Jun 8 12:54:18 1998 Received: by notes950.cc.bellcore.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 8525661D.005D5773 ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:59:32 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: BELLCORE Return-Receipt-To: ckoster@notes.cc.bellcore.com From: ckoster@notes.cc.bellcore.com To: perlman@turing.acm.org Message-Id: <8525661D.005A77F6.00@notes950.cc.bellcore.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:59:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Yet Another Index of HCI Links Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12 eve- hope this helps... chris [1] Bellcore (1995). Design Guide For Multiplatform Graphical User Interfaces - Issue 3. [2] Microsoft Press (1995). The Windows Interface Guidelines for Software Design. Also on-line at: http://www.microsoft.com/win32dev/uiguide/ [3] The Open Group (October 1997). CDE 2.1 / Motif 2.1 Style Guide and Glossary. (there are 2 additional supporting volumes) The HCI Bibliography is located at: http://www.hcibib.org Gary Perlman, director@hcibib.org Also see Gary Perlman's Suggested Readings in Human-Computer Interaction (HCI), User Interface (UI) Development, & Human Factors (HF) at: http://www.acm.org/~perlman/readings.html (not really a "reference" book") Handbook of Screen Format Design Wilbert O. Galitz, 1985 (i have not read this one) The Essential Guide to User Interface Design : An Introduction to Design Principles and Techniques by Wilbert O. Galitz Published by John Wiley & Sons December 1996 ISBN: 0471157554 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471157554/002-0482872-6604409